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Author:  peoplesandschmidt [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 18:31 ]
Post subject:  DS as multi-rum & running long lengths of network cables!
Hi, Martin here, hence the english! We had an event here last week running DS as a simple multi-rum solution. The Klimax system actually had 50 metres of network cable to the nas, the built-in custom 104/sneaky/LK140 30 metres, sneaky K104 30 metres and Akurate 20 metres, 10 of which were wound in a coil. Any comments?
Author:  HCL [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 19:41 ]
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Antar att det är ok att svara på svenska!?

50m kabel kan nog plocka upp rätt mycket (förhållandevis) lågfrekventa radiostörningar. Fågan är hur mycket Linn testat hur utrustningen står emot detta? Var det skärmad kabel eller oskärmad och var skärmen ansluten i båda ändar? Enl. min begränsade erfarenhet så är det klart bättre att använda skärmad kable och att bara ansluta skärmen i sändarsidan (i switchen) som givetvis skall vara jordad. Med en 50m skärm blir det dock änå ganska kraftig jordslinga (RF-mässigt d.v.s. ur radiostörningssynpunkt) vilket kan vara ett problem. Var de olika systemen kopplade på samma eller olika faser? Vad som är bäst i det avseendet bör man prova. Någon som testat detta mer utförligt?
Author:  Comstedt [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 20:30 ]
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Were you using shielded/foild networkcabels or non? And what did you base the decision on wich to use?
Did you find any big differences in how long cable you used?

In the longer future I my self might use the sneaky with a long cable and use as a second system and get a better DS in the main system. So hering your points on this could be usefull.

Please mind my bad English.
Author:  Carl [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 21:06 ]
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peoplesandschmidt wrote:
Hi, Martin here, hence the english! We had an event here last week running DS as a simple multi-rum solution. The Klimax system actually had 50 metres of network cable to the nas, the built-in custom 104/sneaky/LK140 30 metres, sneaky K104 30 metres and Akurate 20 metres, 10 of which were wound in a coil. Any comments?
Martin,
We have a great tradition in this country of adopting new technology as well as to ensure it works at it's best. Here's a little inspirational video I hope provide food for thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ymfSb4ugI

For example, why don't you try a modern version of "the wrapper" (1:06 into video) - i.e. wrap yourself up in the excess cable and see how things work out for you.

Good luck! :wink:

Carl
Author:  Stephan [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 22:07 ]
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Hello Martin!
Many people here would recommend you to be careful when installing network cables carrying digital sound information. It might seem as a paradox that a signal that evidently reaches it target fully intact still can have different sound quality, depending on , length, grounding, shielding etc.
Try different network cable setups and see if you can hear any differences. They would be obvious with a Klimax setup.
Also the, www.lejonklou.com is worth a visit for a english speaking person looking to get most out of his Linn stereo!
If you don't hear any differences thats ok too!
Author:  peoplesandschmidt [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:43 ]
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Det är absolut ok att skriva på svensk men betre för dig om jag skriva på engelsk! The cable ends are really well done, infact I bought them in finnished lengths. The supplier, REAB, assures me that the cable is sheilded but without cutting and finnishing off with new ends its hard to know if its foil sheilding. Whatever ... I can clearly hear more information & no peculurarities with the Klimax DS than with the Akurate DS even when I reduce to a 6 metre cable on the Akurate so I assume all the binary code is comming through unscaithed to the Klimax through the 50m. Linn have told me that they ran, as a test, 1KM of cable and it performed well. Does anyone knows what outside interference does to digital code passing in a cable to alter it and in what way does it alter it. If it's not altered or blocked/bits-missing I can only assume that a 6m will produce the same sound as 100m cable? Thanks for the ''youtube link'' ... brilliance!
Author:  Bill50x [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 14:30 ]
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Carl Nyqvist wrote:

We have a great tradition in this country of adopting new technology as well as to ensure it works at it's best. Here's a little inspirational video I hope provide food for thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ymfSb4ugI
Varför kommer jag att tänka på vissa tips som man får när anläggningar ska trimmas in.... 8)

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Author:  Carl [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 18:39 ]
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Japp, musikaliteten känner inga gränser.. :wink:

Carl
Author:  HCL [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 19:34 ]
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peoplesandschmidt wrote:
Det är absolut ok att skriva på svensk men betre för dig om jag skriva på engelsk! The cable ends are really well done, infact I bought them in finnished lengths. The supplier, REAB, assures me that the cable is sheilded but without cutting and finnishing off with new ends its hard to know if its foil sheilding. Whatever ... I can clearly hear more information & no peculurarities with the Klimax DS than with the Akurate DS even when I reduce to a 6 metre cable on the Akurate so I assume all the binary code is comming through unscaithed to the Klimax through the 50m. Linn have told me that they ran, as a test, 1KM of cable and it performed well. Does anyone knows what outside interference does to digital code passing in a cable to alter it and in what way does it alter it. If it's not altered or blocked/bits-missing I can only assume that a 6m will produce the same sound as 100m cable? Thanks for the ''youtube link'' ... brilliance!
Vad jag hört så är det sällan lyckat att ha skärmade kablar (med skärmen ansluten i båda aändar) i omfattande installationer. Detta gäller även för konventionella datanätverk. Man får lätt problem med störningar och jordströmmar. När det gäller DS-kopplingar så bör man givetvis se till att inte leda in onödigt mycket störningar i DS-spelaren. Bäst resultat ger (i andra sammanhang) ofta att använda skärmat kablage (SFTP) med skärmen ansluten i sändaränden. Så har jag det kopplat hos mig och så hade jag det även kopplat i en tidigare installation (evaluerat som bättre m.h.a. tunedem).
Author:  Bill50x [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 19:53 ]
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hardcorelinnie wrote:
... Bäst resultat ger (i andra sammanhang) ofta att använda skärmat kablage (SFTP) med skärmen ansluten i sändaränden. Så har jag det kopplat hos mig och så hade jag det även kopplat i en tidigare installation (evaluerat som bättre m.h.a. tunedem).
Enligt min erfarenhet ger detta (att ansluta en skärm bara i ena änden) även positiva resultat på audio-kablar. Skärmen ska då vara ansluten i förstegsanslutningen och inte i källan eller slutsteget. Men det kan säkert variera i olika setuper.

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